MOST OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE "EXPERTS/ PROFESSIONALS" IS THEY THINK THERE "DEGREE" OR THERE ONE CHILD FAMILY MAKES THEM A EXPERT, THERE IS NO "ONLY ONE" TRUE YES OR NO ANSWER, WHAT WORKS FOR ONE CHILD MAY NOT WORK FOR ANOTHER, AND YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE PEOPLE TAKE THINGS TO FAR AND THAT IS 100 PERCENT ABUSE WHEN THEY DO, BUT YOU WILL ALSO SEE PARENTS TAKE THE "TIME OUT" WAY TO FAR AND THAT CHILD WILL GROW UP ALWAYS TAKING THE LAWS/RULES PAST THE LIMITS, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW AFTER RAISING TWO BOYS AND FIVE GIRLS, I WILL SAY BOYS ARE EASIER...
Disciplining troublesome two's is easier said than done. However, as responsible parents, we should resort to discipling means which are best for the child. It is best to read a number of articles from relaible sources and then make informed decisions and plans on disciplining toddlers.
One such useful blog with relaible information is http://parentinginfantsandtoddlers.blogspot.com
Response to lynnslack-
Not to be disrespectful, but there are many, many, many retired school teachers (that even come from difficult to manage classrooms of inner cities, no less) who advocate DISCIPLINE, but not violence. Just take a look at the statistics (go to statemaster, or a comparable link) and you'll find that paddling states do poorer academically, have a much higher drop-out rate, and an overall higher crime rate than non-paddling states. Hitting only "shuts them up" temporarily, but that's pretty much it.
Most compelling of all reasons not to spank are the following (which can be verified by people who were actually spanked themselves by doing a little research):
"Even without sexual motives on the part of the punisher, spanking can interfere with a child?s normal sexual and psychological development. Because the buttocks are so close to the genitals and so multiply linked to sexual nerve centers, slapping them can trigger powerful and involuntary sensations of sexual pleasure. This can happen even in very young children, and even in spite of great, clearly upsetting pain."
Tom Johnson Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
“...The buttocks are the locus for the induction of pain in a child. We are familiar with the argument that it is a safe ‘locus’ for spanking. However, the anal region is also the major erotic region at precisely the time the child is likely to be beaten there. Thus it is aptly chosen to achieve the result of deranged sexuality in adulthood...” 1971 (p. 113)
David Bakan, Slaughter of the Innocents,1971 (p. 113)
“Advocates of corporal punishment in schools should examine very carefully the weight of evidence now available and, particularly in light of the pornographic component, consider whether they can justify the continuation of a system with such a capacity for exciting unhealthy interest.”
British Psychological Society, “Report on Corporal Punishment in Schools” (1980)
“But what you would not so readily believe upon my affirmation, was that there are persons who are stimulated to venery by strokes of rods, and worked up into a flame of lust by blows... A strange instance what a power the force of education has in grafting inveterate ill habits on our morals...”
Johann Heinrich Meibom, physician, 1629
Unpleasant as this information is, we do our children a great disservice when we fail to acknowledge its truth.
Had we not turned a blind eye to the unpleasant phenomena of sexual abuse of children 40-50 years ago, many children would have been spared its devastating consequences.
Using physical pain is a terrible way to raise a child. No form of punishment should involve hitting or spanking with a hand or any object. This is child abuse and those who abuse their children should be ashamed of themselves. I take pitty on the child who has to endure being hit by his/her parents DNT DO IT
Using physical pain is a terrible way to raise a child. No form of punishment should involve hitting or spanking with a hand or any object. This is child abuse and those who abuse their children should be ashamed of themselves. I take pitty on the child who has to endure being hit by his/her parents.
1)"My parents spanked me and I'm fine with it."
Parents do all kinds of things that aren't the best way to handle a situation, without a terribly negative outcome. That doesn't automatically mean that it's a good idea. Stacie's mom sounds like a 'good' spanker, if you can use the term; but frankly, most parents aren't that consistent or controlled. Nor, again, does it mean that there aren't any better ways to discipline.
2) I really, really hate the 'touch the stove and you'll get burned' rationale. You can drive a boat show through the holes in this comparison. The stove is not a human being. It is never going to be angry, or drunk, or upset. It is never going to misjudge distance or force. And most importantly, the child does not love the stove and will never associate violence or pain or indignity with love.
We live in a society with out-of-control violence, and I'm not talking about crime and drugs and gangs; I'm talking about husbands hitting wives and kids and girlfriends, and it escalating until someone is maimed or dead. If you hit kids, however you rationalize it, you are teaching them that hitting's okay if you're the bigger one. We are ALL paying the price for it, and it's time to stop. If you can't figure out how to teach your kids right from wrong, or keep them safe without hitting them, you need to swallow your pride and talk to your pediatrician about better ways to discipline.
I can't say I have a firm position on this debate. The experts have good points, and the parents who spanked and have well-adjusted kids have good points.
I will say this, though: I got spanked and I appreciate the way my mother did it. When we got spanked, we KNEW we had exhausted our chances. It was a predictable consequence, we knew it was coming because we had been TOLD and TOLD to change our behavior -- and warned that this would be the outcome if we did not heed her. She did NOT just grab us and beat our butts as an outlet to her anger. She took it seriously, did it infrequently, and used it as part of a graduated, predictable discipline process, and then talked to us about it. Also, we were spanked just hard enough to get our attention, not to injure or leave marks.
I don't resent her for it, I don't feel abused. The way she set it up, I am very clear that I was the agent of getting spanked on the few occasions it happened. Maybe 5-8 times in my entire childhood. I was warned; I persisted; I got what I was told was coming.
I think this is the difference. I do NOT endorse spanking as a physical outlet to parental anger, an excuse to yank your kids around and hit them because you're frustrated. But I DO endorse a way to teach kids that you will reap the consequences of your actions. If spanking works for that (and all families and kids are different) then I don't have a problem with it. I also don't endorse teachers spanking; studies show that people are more likely to abuse or overpunish kids that are not their own. (This includes step-parents, so some caution is in order there, too.)
Anyway, the results of my mom's system: people complimented her that we were well-behaved kids. They wanted to be around us. We got good reviews in school. Teachers liked us. We got good grades. We grew up understanding that we were responsible for holding up our end of the bargain. It worked for us.
I'm not saying that it's appropriate to all families or all types of kid personalities. I'm not saying that parents should present themselves as all-powerful, or endorse violence as a solution to anger (again, Mom didn't spank when she was angry; she got very serious and explained why it was happening). But I also have yet to be convinced that it's always a bad idea -- or that outsiders should presume they know what works best for everyone without taking time to understand the dynamics of a particular family. It's complicated, and there are no easy answers. I think that's why it's such a long-standing and potent debate; there isn't a blanket answer that's appropriate for everyone, despite people's strong emotional feelings about it.
I am a retired 63 year old former Marine, Business manager and coach. I now volunteer helping with 6th and 8th grade math. The teachers today have no chance to teach most kids because they're busy trying to keep controlled the few who will not listen, will not be quiet and are physically disruptive. In most cases those are the kids who have never been disciplined; their parents have either ignored them, or worse, made excuses for them when confronted by authorities. My child did not act like that because they did allow corporal punishment when he was in school and if he was spanked there he had to face me at home. Disrespect and insubordination was not allowed.
Now the teacher must accept that disrespect and insubordination because there is no immediate consequence for the child. The fact that they may drop out of school and live in poverty is too abstract. So the teacher sends them to the office, the office sends them to the counselor, (which is paid for my my tax dollars) and the counselor tells them to be good and go back to class. Nothing accomplished. In the mean time the children without discipline problems are short-changed in what they are being taught because the teachers time and the districts resources are being diverted to take care of kids who wont listen. Corporal punishment, not abuse, can correct a lot of this. I've seen it first hand. If you havent been in your local school and seen it firsthand you really cant appreciate the problem.
Tom Johnson Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children “...The buttocks are the locus for the induction of pain in a child. We are familiar with the argument that it is a safe ‘locus’ for spanking. However, the anal region is also the major erotic region at precisely the time the child is likely to be beaten there. Thus it is aptly chosen to achieve the result of deranged sexuality in adulthood...” 1971 (p. 113) David Bakan, Slaughter of the Innocents,1971 (p. 113) “Advocates of corporal punishment in schools should examine very carefully the weight of evidence now available and, particularly in light of the pornographic component, consider whether they can justify the continuation of a system with such a capacity for exciting unhealthy interest.”
British Psychological Society, “Report on Corporal Punishment in Schools” (1980) “But what you would not so readily believe upon my affirmation, was that there are persons who are stimulated to venery by strokes of rods, and worked up into a flame of lust by blows... A strange instance what a power the force of education has in grafting inveterate ill habits on our morals...” Johann Heinrich Meibom, physician, 1629 Unpleasant as this information is, we do our children a great disservice when we fail to acknowledge its truth. Had we not turned a blind eye to the unpleasant phenomena of sexual abuse of children 40-50 years ago, many children would have been spared its devastating consequences.
http://nospank.net/pt2009.htm The Sexual Dangers of Spanking Children
http://www.nospank.net/sexdngrs.htm
Parents do all kinds of things that aren't the best way to handle a situation, without a terribly negative outcome. That doesn't automatically mean that it's a good idea. Stacie's mom sounds like a 'good' spanker, if you can use the term; but frankly, most parents aren't that consistent or controlled. Nor, again, does it mean that there aren't any better ways to discipline. 2) I really, really hate the 'touch the stove and you'll get burned' rationale. You can drive a boat show through the holes in this comparison. The stove is not a human being. It is never going to be angry, or drunk, or upset. It is never going to misjudge distance or force. And most importantly, the child does not love the stove and will never associate violence or pain or indignity with love. We live in a society with out-of-control violence, and I'm not talking about crime and drugs and gangs; I'm talking about husbands hitting wives and kids and girlfriends, and it escalating until someone is maimed or dead. If you hit kids, however you rationalize it, you are teaching them that hitting's okay if you're the bigger one. We are ALL paying the price for it, and it's time to stop. If you can't figure out how to teach your kids right from wrong, or keep them safe without hitting them, you need to swallow your pride and talk to your pediatrician about better ways to discipline.
I don't resent her for it, I don't feel abused. The way she set it up, I am very clear that I was the agent of getting spanked on the few occasions it happened. Maybe 5-8 times in my entire childhood. I was warned; I persisted; I got what I was told was coming. I think this is the difference. I do NOT endorse spanking as a physical outlet to parental anger, an excuse to yank your kids around and hit them because you're frustrated. But I DO endorse a way to teach kids that you will reap the consequences of your actions. If spanking works for that (and all families and kids are different) then I don't have a problem with it. I also don't endorse teachers spanking; studies show that people are more likely to abuse or overpunish kids that are not their own. (This includes step-parents, so some caution is in order there, too.) Anyway, the results of my mom's system: people complimented her that we were well-behaved kids. They wanted to be around us. We got good reviews in school. Teachers liked us. We got good grades. We grew up understanding that we were responsible for holding up our end of the bargain. It worked for us. I'm not saying that it's appropriate to all families or all types of kid personalities. I'm not saying that parents should present themselves as all-powerful, or endorse violence as a solution to anger (again, Mom didn't spank when she was angry; she got very serious and explained why it was happening). But I also have yet to be convinced that it's always a bad idea -- or that outsiders should presume they know what works best for everyone without taking time to understand the dynamics of a particular family. It's complicated, and there are no easy answers. I think that's why it's such a long-standing and potent debate; there isn't a blanket answer that's appropriate for everyone, despite people's strong emotional feelings about it.
Now the teacher must accept that disrespect and insubordination because there is no immediate consequence for the child. The fact that they may drop out of school and live in poverty is too abstract. So the teacher sends them to the office, the office sends them to the counselor, (which is paid for my my tax dollars) and the counselor tells them to be good and go back to class. Nothing accomplished. In the mean time the children without discipline problems are short-changed in what they are being taught because the teachers time and the districts resources are being diverted to take care of kids who wont listen. Corporal punishment, not abuse, can correct a lot of this. I've seen it first hand. If you havent been in your local school and seen it firsthand you really cant appreciate the problem.