Its very tempting to justify the continuation of something our conscience VERY CLEARLY indicates is wrong by scapegoating "kids today". This tendency goes back almost as far as written language itself (as we have inscriptions to this effect on tablets). Are the social maladies of the day really worse than, say, burning witches at the stake, slavery, oppression of women, "colored" and "white" sections of restaurants, bathrooms, drinking fountains, etc....?
In response to jonboy1243...Finally! I was beginning to feel as though I'm the ONLY "voice of the children" out here! I'm particularly GRATEFUL to hear a male be willing to take a stand for them! So many people just go about parenting the way in which they were parented...feeling "supported" of course by not only their parents (for obvious reasons)...but as we can see from so many of these Comments--still "blind" other adults surrounding them! I REFUSE to give up hope though that as long as there are people like us who are WILLING TO TAKE A STAND...and hopefully enough younger generation people (like my sons!) whose role-modeling has BEEN a kinder, gentler way...that our grandchildren and their grandchildren may NOT have to be addressing these types of abuse! ...and as the song goes.. "I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way...show them all the beauty they possess inside! Give them a sense of PRIDE to make it easier...let the children's laughter REMIND US HOW WE USE TO BE!...THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL...LEARNING TO LOVE YOURSELF!
when you hit someone, it will do nothing more then strike fear and anger into whoever is getting hit. i dont care what your intentions are. things dont happen based off of your intention. they are based off of others reaction to what you just did. hitting, or some prefer, "spanking", IN NO WAY, teaches right from wrong.
the only result from hitting your child is they wont do somethings, not because they are wrong, but because they are in FEAR of getting hit again. try to defend hitting your child, but ive been abused, and i have abused. i have been on both ends and when i chose to grow up i realized that your children will grow how you raise them. stop pointing the finger at the children. "kids these days"? what about parents? arent they who children look up to? when children have responsibilities to respect their elders, where does the responsibilities of the elders come in to show the child why they should respect anyone?
right and wrong. it is all reletive to the individual, but when children get hit for doing something they arent listening to your rationalization of your violence. all they are thinking is, if im so afraid of getting hit, how can i learn respect or the difference between right and wrong?
i believe that if you tell a child why they shouldnt do something and you level with them, i dont care about your ego or dignity about being equal to a child, because by hitting a child for doing something that you dont like... obviously neither do you. think about it this way... so many "rebelious teens" has anyone thought that maybe thats just when they have nothing to really fear? they get fed up. chances are you think that its not your fault. it must be "kids these days". take responsibility.
you get fear and anger from violence. you get happiness and respect from an equal. that is not an opinion. that is fact. you dont have to see something for it to be a fact.
so lets clarify. if you hit your child, you are immature and dont know how to speak to your kid. and if you realize that you are learning from eachother as equals, then you have respect. as if you were interested in evrything your child has to say. also, im not one to judge, just a man with very little experience but got so much from everything ive been through and done.
so when you want to tell me that hitting your kids is right, what would you think if i hit you to teach you that thats wrong? hmm i bet you wouldnt like that at all. you might send me to jail. why are you any different? oh yeah, you hit a child because you cant understand how to talk to them. why cant we live by these rules, lets not hurt or kill anyone and lets not take anything away from others.
Why "in God's name" would you WANT your child's ability to be proud of themselves to be broken?! That IS the root of SO many emotional problems & conditions of the childhood experience! Your child NEEDS to feel "proud" of him/herself not only for all they accomplish (from how their smile as a baby results in YOUR smile!...to the JOY they see on your face when they take their first step!...to how you react when they hand you your first grandchild!)...but for "who they are for themselves!" Having a "proud" child will only serve them well as they face the world and the challenges of others who would NOT have them feel good about themselves in order to have control over them! (the power of cults, gangs, etc.) It's less "about the devil" when children make these choices later in life than it is about the lack of love and ACCEPTANCE they received as a child from their parents! At no time have I said (as you stated)"that a child should have no rules"! The "topic" is whether or not to spank?...and SPANKING DOES NOT SERVE AS "RULES" when parenting! The practice of spanking is used by the parent TO CONTROL THE CHILD'S BEHAVIOR so that the "parent gets THEIR way at that moment!" Be clear...ONLY for "that moment" though! The child in essence has ONLY really been taught that "adults are bigger, stronger and can MAKE YOU STOP doing whatever it is that you're doing (until they're not looking that is)by hitting, slapping, etc." AND "When you grow up and pay the bills and have kids of your own YOU get to him them!" You say: "by spanking a child they gain respect for their own self worth!" WHAT??? How does THAT work?!...AND...what a SCARY "message" to send your child! My children need to know (and do!) that HITTING IS NEVER THE ANSWER! I have two adult sons (early & mid twenties) who have NEVER been in a fist fight! They "got the message" from the beginning that "no matter how upset, disappointed, etc. I am with you...you do NOT deserve (as is true for ALL human beings) to be hit!" I didn't HAVE to say it to them....I (and their dad!) SHOWED THEM BY EXAMPLE!! They absolutely had "rules" and boundaries when they were young and APPROPRIATE consequences when they chose to break the rules and/or push the boundaries...always accompanied with conversations about "what better choices they could have made!" The "good news" is that THEY knew that they had made those choices that got them there (having a consequence to "suffer") and that their Dad and I loved and respected them enough to not only "allow them to have the space to make those choices for themselves...but to know that there ARE consequences for all of us based on our choices in life!" (It's called TRAINING FOR REAL LIFE!) ...AND YES! we spent as much (if not more!) time ACKNOWLEDGING AND CELEBRATING WHO THEY ARE AS PEOPLE AND THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS as we did "disciplining them"! Physical violence has just NOT been a part of their home lives! That was a COMMITMENT their dad & I made to them BEFORE they were even born and have kept!! As they say...the proof is in the results! We honor and celebrate who they are today as adults and KNOW that they will be AMAZING fathers who LEAD BY EXAMPLE of what it is "to be a GENTLEMAN... in the truest sense of the word!"
Tt has been a belief system to use spanking in discipling a child. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Parents have a command to train a child in the way it should go. When letting a child have no rules or authority to govern their life the child becomes selfish, rebellious, and unruly.
I am a firm believer in spanking a child...it breaks the pride right out of them and they learn that their behavior is not acceptable. When spanking a child they will gain respect for their own self worth in the latter years to follow. They won't demand their own way and will have great character...most of all self respect will come out of it for themselves.
We as a people have lost the most Godly commandment to take charge of what God has given us...training a child in the way it should go.
Here is one book that I advice everyone to get their hands on. It's the Good Book, The Holy Bible...Gods rules...Wake up to your destiny and learn the truth. Proverbs tells us this...
This would be found in Proverbs 23:19 read it for yourself. This was a command to teach a child about having respect for itself.
Here is another good book that trains parents on how to sheperd a childs heart. Shepherding a child's heart by Tedd Tripp
Wake up to claim what is rightfully yours, eternal life with commands from the most high God. No wonder our world is such chaos...they don't practice what the almighty God gave us...his commands. The greatest of all of these are love.
I have raised 5 children, 2 being in the mission field. I also have grandchildren and while they are here, I have rules that say, NO, you cannot do that.
Here is a question. Do you just stand by and watch them do anything that they want?
I love the authority of disciple. It says that I love them and care about their well-being.
Love is tough, so I train them with genuine love. It's a safe and peaceful place when you have this in your home...they will have the most respect in the future and the best of it is that they will know that they are truly loved.
Children are wanting the proof of love!!! They will know the haven of the commitment being given to them from their parents is real love.
Spank them, break the pride that causes them to stumble!!! They will love you for it and respect you forever!!!!
Another question! How does spanking (as a recent blogger wrote) "teach a child to be respectful?" I guess the REAL QUESTION is..."How do YOU define RESPECT?!" If respect means to YOU that a child "does what you TELL them to do WHEN you tell them to do it!"....then I suppose I can see where spanking MIGHT support you (in THAT moment!) in reaching your goal! From working with children for many years in a school setting, I CAN assure you that children "share" with me of their "FEAR OF TELLING THEIR PARENTS THE TRUTH ABOUT SOMETHING THEY DID OR FORGOT TO DO BECAUSE OF NOT WANTING TO GET (their words!) HIT!" It might be anything from: "breaking a new toy they just got from their parent....losing one of their gloves...to forgetting to bring home their homework!" Folks...I'm talking about TEARS and speaking like, "but...you don't understand! My mom is going to be really MAD if she finds out I (your words: "broke the rules!")lost one of my new gloves she just got me!" Sooo...I guess I'm confused!
Are you trying to tell me that "RESPECT" looks like this?! I CAN tell you (when it comes to children) that "FEAR" looks like that!! I CANNOT imagine for the life of me WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT THEIR CHILD TO FEAR THEM?! Is your NEED TO BE IN CONTROL...THE ONE IN CHARGE...THAT strong?! Also, know that when these children are teenagers and are inevitably faced with LARGER problems...do you really think they will call YOU for help when they remember how upset and punitive you were with them about such minor "rule breaking"?! This is the STRENGTH of the "gang mentality" and why we see everyday what we see on the news! If a child cannot TRUST in their parent's unconditional love, support when they are small.(in the face of such minor offenses)..why SHOULD they turn to them for it later when "the **it" hits the fan?! Parenting is a LIFE LONG (HOPEFULLY!) relationship that begins at birth (or in utero!) that NEEDS TO BE NURTURED! Think about it....where else in the world do you (hopefully!) find UNCONDITIONAL LOVE?! I'm clear as a fifty-something old woman who has been married for thirty years(!) that NO ONE will EVER LOVE MY TWO SONS as UNCONDITIONALLY AS I DO AND ALWAYS WILL! Yes! they know that as twenty-something year old adults...and they know that because of the WAY I'VE INTERACTED WITH THEM ALL THEIR LIVES...particularly(!) when they (like all of us) "made mistakes"!
If you've ever heard the old adage..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"? That is unfortunately the "stand" SO many adults take when it comes to disciplining children....thus the often heard "I was spanked and I turned out o.k." comment. Did those adults EVER stop to consider what they MIGHT have "turned out like" if their parents had NOT spanked (hit) them?! Can we REALLY look at OURSELVES OBJECTIVELY to determine the impact our own childhood experiences had on us?! What part of your personality...what addiction...or compulsion...what "life choices that later turned out to be "mistakes" might be "connected" to the experience(s) your spirit had at the hands of a spanking adult? I ask you...what do you TRULY think of a ONE YEAR OLD BEING HIT BY THEIR PARENT as a way to "teach them not to hit?!!!"(from Tinytoon's blog) Hmmm...So what you're telling us is that a ONE YEAR OLD (apparently?)SHOULD HAVE the cognitive ability to "UNDERSTAND THAT HITTING SOMEONE IS WRONG?" REALLY? I ask you...from where does a ONE YEAR OLD "LEARN" the behavior of hitting in the first place?! Children are NOT born "knowing" the behavior of hitting! But, I see your point that that ONE YEAR OLD(!) is NO LONGER HITTING their PARENT! Is it "BECAUSE NOW THAT ONE YEAR OLD KNOWS(or is ABLE to understand?!) THAT HITTING IS A BAD BEHAVIOR? Hmm...I probably wouldn't hit SOMEONE THREE TO FIVE TIMES MY SIZE EITHER WHO COULD HURT ME MORE!!! This is INSANITY! When will we EVER LEARN THAT BEING A PARENT IS A PRIVELEGE?!! To ALL the "grown-ups" (I use the term loosely) out there who are spanking your children...I have a QUESTION for you! "WHEN WAS THE LAST DAY YOU (Mom, Dad, Auntie, Grandma, etc.) DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE?!" Uhh....I bet you CANNOT REMEMBER A SINGLE ONE! (Remember there's ALWAYS someone who would from their perspective see some "choice" you made as a MISTAKE!) So...let's see...HOW OLD ARE YOU?! WHAT?! Aren't you OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER?! That one year old...or eight year old (or any age "child" for that matter) SHOULD KNOW BETTER AND NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED (Spanked)WHEN "SCREWING UP" you say! "That's HOW THEY LEARN!" ...BUT, "Grown-ups" just call it "being human" (excuses!) when we screw up..and FOR SURE ARE NOT WILLING TO "hear criticism", be made to "feel wrong" by other adults, fined by the police, etc. Another thought...If your BEST (adult)FRIEND, or husband or wife, or co-worker made a mistake (different "choice" than you would make)would you HIT THEM?! Or better yet, if circumstances were reversed and YOU MADE THE MISTAKE (as an adult), SHOULD THEY HIT YOU (sorry) "SPANK" YOU?!!! People, WAKE UP!! Children ARE NOT JUST ANOTHER ONE OF OUR "POSSESSIONS" THAT WE CAN INTERACT WITH (WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT!)AND EXPECT FOR THERE TO BE NO LONG TERM CONSEQUENCE! There are SO MANY wonderful people in the world who LONG TO HAVE CHILDREN WHO CAN'T and who would never DREAM OF HARMING A CHILD! It is SO sad that "ADULTS" are not willing to set aside their OWN SELFISH COMFORT and do the work to truly "be" loving, compassionate, supportive, RESPECTFUL role-models for (what SHOULD BE!) the most PRECIOUS PART OF THEIR LIVES...THEIR CHILD! To the "adults" who say "the fact that laws have been passed in some places against spanking resulting (I wish!) in fewer children being spanked IS the reason children are so out of control!" I WILL respond by saying...for GENERATIONS, parents have been GIVEN PERMISSION to MISTREAT THEIR CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF "GOOD PARENTING"! YOU CANNOT HOLD A PEOPLE DOWN FOREVER...THEY WILL REVOLT! FORCE CREATES RESISTANCE...AND IN SOME CASES REBELLION!! To all of you who are "attempting" to FORCE YOUR CHILDREN (by spanking, screaming and other forms of intimadation!)TO BE GOOD...LOOK OUT! They have NO CHOICE but to "TAKE BACK THEIR POWER!"...if NOT ultimately hurting you: as an adult moving as far away from you as possible!, keeping your grandchildren away from you, etc. it may unfortunatelty be HURTING THEMSELVES!(WHICH FOR A PARENT WHO TRULY LOVES THEIR CHILD THE ABSOLUTE WORSE SCENARIO!)...depression, drugs, alcohol, suicide! I worry that we as a society WILL NEVER LEARN from OUR PARENT'S...AND THEIR PARENT'S MISTAKES!!
I was spanked severly as a child, with a leather belt on a bare butt. I did not spank my daughter. However, my 30 month old grandson is a terror. Time outs, no snacks, no tv, favorite toy taken away...NOTHING WORKS! He screams "NO" when told to stop or when he is corrected. He throws tantrums and screams at the top of his lungs when he doesn't get what he wants. He runs from us when we are trying to reason with him. We have resorted to spankings. Unfortunately, the threaten of a spanking is the only think that gets his attention and brings him under control. He's VERY SMART, a constant challenge. He gets into everything, climbs everything and is a real dare devil, pllus will taste anything he can get a hold of with his hand...dirt, medicine, etc. We fear for his own safety. We tell him not to do these things, but the only thing that puts the brakes on his behavior is a pop on his butt and sit down in time out until he quits crying and he comes and says he's sorry. We explain why he can't do what he was doing, hug him and tell him we love him. WHAT ARE WE DOING WRONG?
Yes, as a child I did think wow! I wish I had not of done that! All the way in to get my spanking, and afterward. Maybe it is the difference in parents. We were never spanked for mistakes, we were spanked for deliberate breaking of rules. Before the spanking we had a talk, part of that talk was when you were ask what was the punishment for breaking that rule. I felt loved, secure and safe. There were boundaries not to cross, consequences for actions. Mistakes were dealt with as well, but not with a spanking. We broke a window, we worked, chores, blackberry picking, something, to earn money to pay for the window. That taught you to be a little more careful. Once again, I thank my parents for all the love.
I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR KIDS TODAY. I AM FROM THE "OLD SCHOOL" GENERATION AND WE WERE SPANKED AT HOME AND AT SCHOOL. (I WAS NEVER SPANKED AT SCHOOL) BUT JUST MAKING A POINT. I FEEL LIKE KIDS SHOULD BE SPANKED DEPENDING ON SITUATION, SUCH AS, TALKING BACK TO A PARENT, DOING WHAT THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, ETC.. AND ALSO DEPENDS ON THE AGE OF THE CHILD. IF YOU DON'T TEACH THEM WHILE THEY ARE YOUNG TO BE RESPECTABLE TO OTHERS AS WELL AS THE PARENTS, THEY WILL NOT LEARN WHEN THEY ARE ADULTS. SURE I DIDN'T LIKE SPANKINGS BUT WHEN I LOOK BACK ON IT, I HAD AND STILL HAVE WONDERFUL PARENTS.. THEY TAUGHT US TO BE RESPECTABLE ADULTS BY HAVING SPANKINGS THAT TAUGHT US RIGHT FROM WRONG. KIDS TODAY GET AWAY WITH TOO MUCH NOW, THEY THINK IT'S OK TO TALK BACK TO ELDERS, THEIR PARENTS, AND THEN SCREAM CHILD ABUSE WHEN THEY ARE CORRECTED. I SPANKED MY KIDS WHEN NECESSARY; "DR SPOCK" DOESN'T KNOW EVERYTHING FOLKS! I WILL NOT LET MY CHILDREN RUN OVER ME! AND WHEN I GET GRANDCHILDREN, I HOPE MY CHILDREN WILL TEACH THEM THE MORALS WE WERE TAUGHT. ALSO, I MIGHT ADD, THE TROUBLE WITH SCHOOL TODAY IS TAKING CORPORAL PUNISHMENT OUT; SPANK THE "DEVIL" OUT OF THEM AND MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE LESS TROUBLE MAKERS IN SCHOOL, AND THE TEACHERS WOULDN'T QUIT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE STUDENTS! AND GIVE THE TEACHERS A RAISE, THEY DESERVE IT! MOST OF ALL, PUT GOD BACK IN SCHOOLS! THINGS WORK BETTER WITH GOD IN SCHOOL!!!! THIS NATION NEEDS A GOOD SPANKING!! AND BOTTOM LINE, REWARD WHAT NEEDS TO BE REWARDED AND PUNISH WHEN DISCIPLINE IS NEEDED.
Its very tempting to justify the continuation of something our conscience VERY CLEARLY indicates is wrong by scapegoating "kids today". This tendency goes back almost as far as written language itself (as we have inscriptions to this effect on tablets). Are the social maladies of the day really worse than, say, burning witches at the stake, slavery, oppression of women, "colored" and "white" sections of restaurants, bathrooms, drinking fountains, etc....?
In response to jonboy1243...Finally! I was beginning to feel as though I'm the ONLY "voice of the children" out here! I'm particularly GRATEFUL to hear a male be willing to take a stand for them! So many people just go about parenting the way in which they were parented...feeling "supported" of course by not only their parents (for obvious reasons)...but as we can see from so many of these Comments--still "blind" other adults surrounding them! I REFUSE to give up hope though that as long as there are people like us who are WILLING TO TAKE A STAND...and hopefully enough younger generation people (like my sons!) whose role-modeling has BEEN a kinder, gentler way...that our grandchildren and their grandchildren may NOT have to be addressing these types of abuse! ...and as the song goes.. "I believe the children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way...show them all the beauty they possess inside! Give them a sense of PRIDE to make it easier...let the children's laughter REMIND US HOW WE USE TO BE!...THE GREATEST LOVE OF ALL...LEARNING TO LOVE YOURSELF!
when you hit someone, it will do nothing more then strike fear and anger into whoever is getting hit. i dont care what your intentions are. things dont happen based off of your intention. they are based off of others reaction to what you just did. hitting, or some prefer, "spanking", IN NO WAY, teaches right from wrong.
the only result from hitting your child is they wont do somethings, not because they are wrong, but because they are in FEAR of getting hit again. try to defend hitting your child, but ive been abused, and i have abused. i have been on both ends and when i chose to grow up i realized that your children will grow how you raise them. stop pointing the finger at the children. "kids these days"? what about parents? arent they who children look up to? when children have responsibilities to respect their elders, where does the responsibilities of the elders come in to show the child why they should respect anyone?
right and wrong. it is all reletive to the individual, but when children get hit for doing something they arent listening to your rationalization of your violence. all they are thinking is, if im so afraid of getting hit, how can i learn respect or the difference between right and wrong?
i believe that if you tell a child why they shouldnt do something and you level with them, i dont care about your ego or dignity about being equal to a child, because by hitting a child for doing something that you dont like... obviously neither do you. think about it this way... so many "rebelious teens" has anyone thought that maybe thats just when they have nothing to really fear? they get fed up. chances are you think that its not your fault. it must be "kids these days". take responsibility.
you get fear and anger from violence. you get happiness and respect from an equal. that is not an opinion. that is fact. you dont have to see something for it to be a fact.
so lets clarify. if you hit your child, you are immature and dont know how to speak to your kid. and if you realize that you are learning from eachother as equals, then you have respect. as if you were interested in evrything your child has to say. also, im not one to judge, just a man with very little experience but got so much from everything ive been through and done.
so when you want to tell me that hitting your kids is right, what would you think if i hit you to teach you that thats wrong? hmm i bet you wouldnt like that at all. you might send me to jail. why are you any different? oh yeah, you hit a child because you cant understand how to talk to them. why cant we live by these rules, lets not hurt or kill anyone and lets not take anything away from others.
Why "in God's name" would you WANT your child's ability to be proud of themselves to be broken?! That IS the root of SO many emotional problems & conditions of the childhood experience! Your child NEEDS to feel "proud" of him/herself not only for all they accomplish (from how their smile as a baby results in YOUR smile!...to the JOY they see on your face when they take their first step!...to how you react when they hand you your first grandchild!)...but for "who they are for themselves!" Having a "proud" child will only serve them well as they face the world and the challenges of others who would NOT have them feel good about themselves in order to have control over them! (the power of cults, gangs, etc.) It's less "about the devil" when children make these choices later in life than it is about the lack of love and ACCEPTANCE they received as a child from their parents! At no time have I said (as you stated)"that a child should have no rules"! The "topic" is whether or not to spank?...and SPANKING DOES NOT SERVE AS "RULES" when parenting! The practice of spanking is used by the parent TO CONTROL THE CHILD'S BEHAVIOR so that the "parent gets THEIR way at that moment!" Be clear...ONLY for "that moment" though! The child in essence has ONLY really been taught that "adults are bigger, stronger and can MAKE YOU STOP doing whatever it is that you're doing (until they're not looking that is)by hitting, slapping, etc." AND "When you grow up and pay the bills and have kids of your own YOU get to him them!" You say: "by spanking a child they gain respect for their own self worth!" WHAT??? How does THAT work?!...AND...what a SCARY "message" to send your child! My children need to know (and do!) that HITTING IS NEVER THE ANSWER! I have two adult sons (early & mid twenties) who have NEVER been in a fist fight! They "got the message" from the beginning that "no matter how upset, disappointed, etc. I am with you...you do NOT deserve (as is true for ALL human beings) to be hit!" I didn't HAVE to say it to them....I (and their dad!) SHOWED THEM BY EXAMPLE!! They absolutely had "rules" and boundaries when they were young and APPROPRIATE consequences when they chose to break the rules and/or push the boundaries...always accompanied with conversations about "what better choices they could have made!" The "good news" is that THEY knew that they had made those choices that got them there (having a consequence to "suffer") and that their Dad and I loved and respected them enough to not only "allow them to have the space to make those choices for themselves...but to know that there ARE consequences for all of us based on our choices in life!" (It's called TRAINING FOR REAL LIFE!) ...AND YES! we spent as much (if not more!) time ACKNOWLEDGING AND CELEBRATING WHO THEY ARE AS PEOPLE AND THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS as we did "disciplining them"! Physical violence has just NOT been a part of their home lives! That was a COMMITMENT their dad & I made to them BEFORE they were even born and have kept!! As they say...the proof is in the results! We honor and celebrate who they are today as adults and KNOW that they will be AMAZING fathers who LEAD BY EXAMPLE of what it is "to be a GENTLEMAN... in the truest sense of the word!"
Tt has been a belief system to use spanking in discipling a child. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Parents have a command to train a child in the way it should go. When letting a child have no rules or authority to govern their life the child becomes selfish, rebellious, and unruly.
I am a firm believer in spanking a child...it breaks the pride right out of them and they learn that their behavior is not acceptable. When spanking a child they will gain respect for their own self worth in the latter years to follow. They won't demand their own way and will have great character...most of all self respect will come out of it for themselves.
We as a people have lost the most Godly commandment to take charge of what God has given us...training a child in the way it should go.
Here is one book that I advice everyone to get their hands on. It's the Good Book, The Holy Bible...Gods rules...Wake up to your destiny and learn the truth. Proverbs tells us this...
This would be found in Proverbs 23:19 read it for yourself. This was a command to teach a child about having respect for itself.
Here is another good book that trains parents on how to sheperd a childs heart. Shepherding a child's heart by Tedd Tripp
Wake up to claim what is rightfully yours, eternal life with commands from the most high God. No wonder our world is such chaos...they don't practice what the almighty God gave us...his commands. The greatest of all of these are love.
I have raised 5 children, 2 being in the mission field. I also have grandchildren and while they are here, I have rules that say, NO, you cannot do that.
Here is a question. Do you just stand by and watch them do anything that they want?
I love the authority of disciple. It says that I love them and care about their well-being.
Love is tough, so I train them with genuine love. It's a safe and peaceful place when you have this in your home...they will have the most respect in the future and the best of it is that they will know that they are truly loved.
Children are wanting the proof of love!!! They will know the haven of the commitment being given to them from their parents is real love.
Spank them, break the pride that causes them to stumble!!! They will love you for it and respect you forever!!!!
Another question! How does spanking (as a recent blogger wrote) "teach a child to be respectful?" I guess the REAL QUESTION is..."How do YOU define RESPECT?!" If respect means to YOU that a child "does what you TELL them to do WHEN you tell them to do it!"....then I suppose I can see where spanking MIGHT support you (in THAT moment!) in reaching your goal! From working with children for many years in a school setting, I CAN assure you that children "share" with me of their "FEAR OF TELLING THEIR PARENTS THE TRUTH ABOUT SOMETHING THEY DID OR FORGOT TO DO BECAUSE OF NOT WANTING TO GET (their words!) HIT!" It might be anything from: "breaking a new toy they just got from their parent....losing one of their gloves...to forgetting to bring home their homework!" Folks...I'm talking about TEARS and speaking like, "but...you don't understand! My mom is going to be really MAD if she finds out I (your words: "broke the rules!")lost one of my new gloves she just got me!" Sooo...I guess I'm confused!
Are you trying to tell me that "RESPECT" looks like this?! I CAN tell you (when it comes to children) that "FEAR" looks like that!! I CANNOT imagine for the life of me WHY ANYONE WOULD WANT THEIR CHILD TO FEAR THEM?! Is your NEED TO BE IN CONTROL...THE ONE IN CHARGE...THAT strong?! Also, know that when these children are teenagers and are inevitably faced with LARGER problems...do you really think they will call YOU for help when they remember how upset and punitive you were with them about such minor "rule breaking"?! This is the STRENGTH of the "gang mentality" and why we see everyday what we see on the news! If a child cannot TRUST in their parent's unconditional love, support when they are small.(in the face of such minor offenses)..why SHOULD they turn to them for it later when "the **it" hits the fan?! Parenting is a LIFE LONG (HOPEFULLY!) relationship that begins at birth (or in utero!) that NEEDS TO BE NURTURED! Think about it....where else in the world do you (hopefully!) find UNCONDITIONAL LOVE?! I'm clear as a fifty-something old woman who has been married for thirty years(!) that NO ONE will EVER LOVE MY TWO SONS as UNCONDITIONALLY AS I DO AND ALWAYS WILL! Yes! they know that as twenty-something year old adults...and they know that because of the WAY I'VE INTERACTED WITH THEM ALL THEIR LIVES...particularly(!) when they (like all of us) "made mistakes"!
If you've ever heard the old adage..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it!"? That is unfortunately the "stand" SO many adults take when it comes to disciplining children....thus the often heard "I was spanked and I turned out o.k." comment. Did those adults EVER stop to consider what they MIGHT have "turned out like" if their parents had NOT spanked (hit) them?! Can we REALLY look at OURSELVES OBJECTIVELY to determine the impact our own childhood experiences had on us?! What part of your personality...what addiction...or compulsion...what "life choices that later turned out to be "mistakes" might be "connected" to the experience(s) your spirit had at the hands of a spanking adult? I ask you...what do you TRULY think of a ONE YEAR OLD BEING HIT BY THEIR PARENT as a way to "teach them not to hit?!!!"(from Tinytoon's blog) Hmmm...So what you're telling us is that a ONE YEAR OLD (apparently?)SHOULD HAVE the cognitive ability to "UNDERSTAND THAT HITTING SOMEONE IS WRONG?" REALLY? I ask you...from where does a ONE YEAR OLD "LEARN" the behavior of hitting in the first place?! Children are NOT born "knowing" the behavior of hitting! But, I see your point that that ONE YEAR OLD(!) is NO LONGER HITTING their PARENT! Is it "BECAUSE NOW THAT ONE YEAR OLD KNOWS(or is ABLE to understand?!) THAT HITTING IS A BAD BEHAVIOR? Hmm...I probably wouldn't hit SOMEONE THREE TO FIVE TIMES MY SIZE EITHER WHO COULD HURT ME MORE!!! This is INSANITY! When will we EVER LEARN THAT BEING A PARENT IS A PRIVELEGE?!! To ALL the "grown-ups" (I use the term loosely) out there who are spanking your children...I have a QUESTION for you! "WHEN WAS THE LAST DAY YOU (Mom, Dad, Auntie, Grandma, etc.) DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE?!" Uhh....I bet you CANNOT REMEMBER A SINGLE ONE! (Remember there's ALWAYS someone who would from their perspective see some "choice" you made as a MISTAKE!) So...let's see...HOW OLD ARE YOU?! WHAT?! Aren't you OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER?! That one year old...or eight year old (or any age "child" for that matter) SHOULD KNOW BETTER AND NEEDS TO BE PUNISHED (Spanked)WHEN "SCREWING UP" you say! "That's HOW THEY LEARN!" ...BUT, "Grown-ups" just call it "being human" (excuses!) when we screw up..and FOR SURE ARE NOT WILLING TO "hear criticism", be made to "feel wrong" by other adults, fined by the police, etc. Another thought...If your BEST (adult)FRIEND, or husband or wife, or co-worker made a mistake (different "choice" than you would make)would you HIT THEM?! Or better yet, if circumstances were reversed and YOU MADE THE MISTAKE (as an adult), SHOULD THEY HIT YOU (sorry) "SPANK" YOU?!!! People, WAKE UP!! Children ARE NOT JUST ANOTHER ONE OF OUR "POSSESSIONS" THAT WE CAN INTERACT WITH (WITHOUT ANY THOUGHT!)AND EXPECT FOR THERE TO BE NO LONG TERM CONSEQUENCE! There are SO MANY wonderful people in the world who LONG TO HAVE CHILDREN WHO CAN'T and who would never DREAM OF HARMING A CHILD! It is SO sad that "ADULTS" are not willing to set aside their OWN SELFISH COMFORT and do the work to truly "be" loving, compassionate, supportive, RESPECTFUL role-models for (what SHOULD BE!) the most PRECIOUS PART OF THEIR LIVES...THEIR CHILD! To the "adults" who say "the fact that laws have been passed in some places against spanking resulting (I wish!) in fewer children being spanked IS the reason children are so out of control!" I WILL respond by saying...for GENERATIONS, parents have been GIVEN PERMISSION to MISTREAT THEIR CHILDREN IN THE NAME OF "GOOD PARENTING"! YOU CANNOT HOLD A PEOPLE DOWN FOREVER...THEY WILL REVOLT! FORCE CREATES RESISTANCE...AND IN SOME CASES REBELLION!! To all of you who are "attempting" to FORCE YOUR CHILDREN (by spanking, screaming and other forms of intimadation!)TO BE GOOD...LOOK OUT! They have NO CHOICE but to "TAKE BACK THEIR POWER!"...if NOT ultimately hurting you: as an adult moving as far away from you as possible!, keeping your grandchildren away from you, etc. it may unfortunatelty be HURTING THEMSELVES!(WHICH FOR A PARENT WHO TRULY LOVES THEIR CHILD THE ABSOLUTE WORSE SCENARIO!)...depression, drugs, alcohol, suicide! I worry that we as a society WILL NEVER LEARN from OUR PARENT'S...AND THEIR PARENT'S MISTAKES!!
I was spanked severly as a child, with a leather belt on a bare butt. I did not spank my daughter. However, my 30 month old grandson is a terror. Time outs, no snacks, no tv, favorite toy taken away...NOTHING WORKS! He screams "NO" when told to stop or when he is corrected. He throws tantrums and screams at the top of his lungs when he doesn't get what he wants. He runs from us when we are trying to reason with him. We have resorted to spankings. Unfortunately, the threaten of a spanking is the only think that gets his attention and brings him under control. He's VERY SMART, a constant challenge. He gets into everything, climbs everything and is a real dare devil, pllus will taste anything he can get a hold of with his hand...dirt, medicine, etc. We fear for his own safety. We tell him not to do these things, but the only thing that puts the brakes on his behavior is a pop on his butt and sit down in time out until he quits crying and he comes and says he's sorry. We explain why he can't do what he was doing, hug him and tell him we love him. WHAT ARE WE DOING WRONG?
Yes, as a child I did think wow! I wish I had not of done that! All the way in to get my spanking, and afterward. Maybe it is the difference in parents. We were never spanked for mistakes, we were spanked for deliberate breaking of rules. Before the spanking we had a talk, part of that talk was when you were ask what was the punishment for breaking that rule. I felt loved, secure and safe. There were boundaries not to cross, consequences for actions. Mistakes were dealt with as well, but not with a spanking. We broke a window, we worked, chores, blackberry picking, something, to earn money to pay for the window. That taught you to be a little more careful. Once again, I thank my parents for all the love.
I BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR KIDS TODAY. I AM FROM THE "OLD SCHOOL" GENERATION AND WE WERE SPANKED AT HOME AND AT SCHOOL. (I WAS NEVER SPANKED AT SCHOOL) BUT JUST MAKING A POINT. I FEEL LIKE KIDS SHOULD BE SPANKED DEPENDING ON SITUATION, SUCH AS, TALKING BACK TO A PARENT, DOING WHAT THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, ETC.. AND ALSO DEPENDS ON THE AGE OF THE CHILD. IF YOU DON'T TEACH THEM WHILE THEY ARE YOUNG TO BE RESPECTABLE TO OTHERS AS WELL AS THE PARENTS, THEY WILL NOT LEARN WHEN THEY ARE ADULTS. SURE I DIDN'T LIKE SPANKINGS BUT WHEN I LOOK BACK ON IT, I HAD AND STILL HAVE WONDERFUL PARENTS.. THEY TAUGHT US TO BE RESPECTABLE ADULTS BY HAVING SPANKINGS THAT TAUGHT US RIGHT FROM WRONG. KIDS TODAY GET AWAY WITH TOO MUCH NOW, THEY THINK IT'S OK TO TALK BACK TO ELDERS, THEIR PARENTS, AND THEN SCREAM CHILD ABUSE WHEN THEY ARE CORRECTED. I SPANKED MY KIDS WHEN NECESSARY; "DR SPOCK" DOESN'T KNOW EVERYTHING FOLKS! I WILL NOT LET MY CHILDREN RUN OVER ME! AND WHEN I GET GRANDCHILDREN, I HOPE MY CHILDREN WILL TEACH THEM THE MORALS WE WERE TAUGHT. ALSO, I MIGHT ADD, THE TROUBLE WITH SCHOOL TODAY IS TAKING CORPORAL PUNISHMENT OUT; SPANK THE "DEVIL" OUT OF THEM AND MAYBE WE WOULD HAVE LESS TROUBLE MAKERS IN SCHOOL, AND THE TEACHERS WOULDN'T QUIT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE STUDENTS! AND GIVE THE TEACHERS A RAISE, THEY DESERVE IT! MOST OF ALL, PUT GOD BACK IN SCHOOLS! THINGS WORK BETTER WITH GOD IN SCHOOL!!!! THIS NATION NEEDS A GOOD SPANKING!! AND BOTTOM LINE, REWARD WHAT NEEDS TO BE REWARDED AND PUNISH WHEN DISCIPLINE IS NEEDED.